Tuesday, December 30

Israel is such a lovely and true democracy....

Since last night several Jaffa activists (all of them Palestinians) have been taken into the Salameh Police Station where they were interrogated by the internal security services, the Shabak, who behaved in an insulting and threatening way (in some cases using the good-bad guy technique) .

Amongst those interrogated was Omar Siksik, member of the Tel Aviv-Jaffa municipal council and Sami AbouShade as well as Rolla and Shirin Agbariye and many others,
Rolla and Shirin have been released into three days of house arrest. Sami has been released and
Omar was released this morning but then requested to go for more interrogation, this time by the police. As of now he is still in the police station.
So much for Israeli "democracy". Arrest and intimidation are efficient ways of stopping legitimate protest.
Oh but i forget, in Israel; true protest is not legitimate, or only in a very limited way.

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27 comments:

Anonymous said...

Israel is a true Democracy.

But it is true Democracy at War.

This happened all the time in Canada, the US and the UK during World War II and World War I.

yudit said...

yes, it's well known the us imprisoned its Japanese citizens in prison-camps under terrible conditions and the English imprisoned some German Jewish refugees "because they were the enemy". A great comparison. So if that is democratic.....

Anonymous said...

There's a difference between protest and sedition.

yudit said...

The simple truth is that when you arrest social activists (and i know these people personally)because they organize peaceful protests (demonstrations for which they got permits) and arrest them (although they carried out no illegal act, they are not suspected of any)and send some of them to home arrest without any legal procedure (the police can do so without going through the court) you prevent lawful demonstrations.
This is NOT democratic. Period.

Anonymous said...

I'll have you know that the US also interned, 11,000 persons of German ancestry, including many American-born children during WWII.

Anonymous said...

Whereas protesting is legal (as long as you aren't protesting on behalf of an foreign enemy especially during wartime) demonstrations have always been illegal as they are disruptive.

Even in a Democracy.

Anonymous said...

"This is NOT democratic. Period."

It is democratic. But it is democracy at war. Things are different during wars. Some concessions have to be made.

Democracy isn't a suicide pact.

yudit said...

A democracy in which certain parts of the population are imprisoned for expressing their views and other are not no longer counts as a democracy, war or no war

Anonymous said...

The US and Canada and the UK were still Democracies during World War I and II.

But they were not stupid.

Anonymous said...

"Imprisoned for expressing their views..."

People can express their views as long as they aren't being disruptive when doing so and as long as they aren't aiding the enemy when they do so.

There is no right to commit sedition. Even in Democracies.

Anonymous said...

"Imprisoned for expressing their views..."

People can express their views as long as they aren't being disruptive when doing so and as long as they aren't aiding the enemy when they do so.

There is no right to commit sedition. Even in Democracies.

yudit said...

You keep repeating yourself. I do not think they were true democracies, imprisoning whole population groups on basis of ethnicity is racist and non democratic.
It is in times such as these one sees the true face of democracy, and Israel does not meet the required standards: you show it yourself by using examples of non democratic countries (just to remind you that Black soldiers served in the US army but many of them couldn't vote in the southern US where there was racial segregation at that time). So if these are democracies.....

Anonymous said...

By your standard then Democracies have never existed on the face of the earth.

So no use complaining about Israel not being one then since your type of "democracy" can't survive in the real world.

Steve said...

Did you hear?

Obama was playing golf and made a shot that flew low and straight for about 75 yards before landing at the front, center-edge of the green.

Isn't he amazing? Wow!

Everything has changed.

yudit said...

Golf is a game played by the wealthy in Israel, i haven't got a clue what sort of point you're trying to make....

yudit said...

I could add that "yards"
don't mean much to me either, in the Middle East we use metrics....

Steve said...

The only point I was making was that Obama is Cool!

He's da Man!

Have you seen the pictures of him in Hawaii without a shirt on? Mind you I am straight but if there was anything that could turn me gay, it would be that!

Yes we can!

yudit said...

What i care about is what Obama will do, once in position.

Craig said...

Whoa man, you are sending out some negative vibes. Why so down?

Don't you get it? Obama won the Election! everything has changed man.

The Big O has won. The Obama man!

Celebrate Obama come-on we all celebrate him.

Obama's so great. Now He has won this race.
Bringing his change all over the place.
And we are all singing.
We can we can Obama man Obama man. We can we can Obama man Obama man.

Let's lift Obama up where he belongs, where eagles fly from the mountainside.

It's an Obama World After All. It's an Obama World After All. It's an Obama World.

Oh, yeah we are half way there, oh yeah Obama is our prayer!

Oh! he is the man Obama
Women faint and men follow.
Can't you hear can't you hear his thunder
Yes we can, yes we can, Obama

You can dance like Obama you can leave your cares behind.
Because Obama can dance and if you won't dance you ain't no friend of mine.

Obama is going to save me
He is going let his waters break right through
Obama is going to save me
I don't care how He does it
Just save, save
Oh yeah
I've been waiting for you

Obama Obama man, oh yeah you can see tomorrow because Obama going to take us.
Obama Obama man, oh yeah Obama going to change us he is going to save us.

Who let the Obama out, Yeah, Yeah.
Who let the Obama out, Yeah, Yeah.

Don't you know we built this change, we built this change upon Barack Obama.
We built this change, we built this change upon Barack Obama.
We built this change upon Barack Obama.

Obama is going to give us change here he comes.
Obama is going to give us change here he comes.
Obama is going to give us change, Obama is going to give us change,
Obama is going to give us change here he comes.

Oh,can't you see we are on the eve Of Obama.

He is make us change he is going to save the day, yes we can Obama, Obama.

Obama, oh Obama, Oh Obama's coming Yes, we can. Yes, we can, oh, yes we can. Yes, we can Obama's coming, yes we can.

Obama's here our lord, Obama Man
Obama's here our lord, Obama Man.
Obama's here our lord, Obama Man
Our Lord, Obama Man.

He is the man from Africa.
He is the man from Africa.
He is going to bring change and save the whole world.
Oh yeah
Obama's name cries out in the night,
As we wait in restless longing for Obama's Change.
I know He will do what's right.
Sure as kilimanjaro rises like olympus above the serengeti
He seeks to cure whats deep inside, saving of from this thing that we've become

The Obama man Can
The Obama Man Can
He is going fill us full of change like he said he would
Yes the Obama man Can.

Near, far, wherever you are
I believe that the Obama does go on
Once more He opens the door
And He's here in my heart
And my Obama will go on and on

Girls just want to have Obama, yeah Girls just want to have Obama,
that's what they really want yeah, that's what the really want

It's the eye of the Obama
who is going to bring us into the light
risin up to the challenge of our rivals
and the last known survivor brings us his way out of the night
and he's watching us all with the eye of the Obama

We need the Obama, we need the Obama to bring us into the Light.
He is so good. He is so great. He is up to the fight.
Yes we need the Obama, we need the Obama to save us right.
He is so good. He is so great. He is up to the fight.
Up to the fight.

The Obama man he was followin me.
He said stop what you're doing.
Get down upon your knees.
Ive got a message for you that you better believe.
You Don't mess with the Obama man.
Don't mess with the Obama man.

Get into the groove man. Don't send out such negative vibes.

Craig said...

That's the Obama
That's the way he does it.
Obama is going to change everything
That's the Obama
that's way way he does it.
Obama is going to change everything.

Obama is going to bring change to us he's our survival
Obama is going bring change I know oh oh.
Obama is going to bring change to us he's our survival
Obama is going bring change I know oh oh.
Singing He Hi Hilary Hi Ho.Singing He Hi Hilary Hi Ho.
Singing He Hi Hilary Hi Ho.
Obama is going bring change I know oh oh.

Mine eyes have seen the glory
Of the coming of the Obama;
He is trampling out the vintage
Where the grapes of wrath are stored;
He hath loosed the fateful lightning
Of His terrible swift sword;
His Change is marching on.
Yes we can yes we can
Yes we can yes we can
Yes we can yes we can
His change is marching on.

Craig said...

La La la Obama
La La La Obama
He going to bring Us change
Yes He can.
Yes He can.
.

Obama, Obama
Oh, Oh,
He is going to Go
yeah, Yeah yeah yeah
Obama, Obama
Oh, Oh,
He is going to Go
yeah, yeah yeah yeah

Have you heard of the Obama man?
The Obama man
The Obama man
Have you heard of the Obama man?
He is going to bring us change

Bom, Bom Bom Obama
Bom, Bom Bom Obama
Bom, Bom Bom Obama

He is the Obama
He is the Obama
He is going to bring change because he is the Obama
He is going to save the world.

And yeah yeah Obama is great yeah yeah Obama is good
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
What if Obama was one of us
Just a slob like one of us
Just a stranger on the bus
Trying to make his way home

craig said...

Our faith was strong but you needed proof
You saw us cheering on the roof
Your beauty
in the moonlight
overthrew us
All praise you everywhere
You took your throne,
we love your your hair
And from your lips we drew the Hallelujah
Hallelujah, Barack Obama
Hallelujah, Barack Obaama.

yudit said...

Us in the Middle East have been F*ed around quite a bit by several US presidents, although the bushies were the worst. So allow me to be sceptical, besides, i ain't a man

craig said...

It's slang.

I wasn't calling you "a man" I said whoa man.

yudit said...

sorry, Craig , english is not my native tongue, i only studied in in highschool ...

Luke said...

Steve, you must be bi-sexual.
All this talk about not wearing shirts and your imagination on the run is not natural.

Steve said...

No, I am not bisexual.

Obama is the only man I have ever felt this about.

Perhaps I am Obamasexual.